Dan Pitts
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| 03/10/2005 12:44 PM |
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| my 87 toyota pickup truck with a 2.4 liter 4cyl carburated is knocking baldy. what is this. it sounds like a sewing machine. if major how hard is it to swap a toyota v6 in to my truck. |
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Colorado Cruiser
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| 03/10/2005 2:51 PM |
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| It could be any number of things. To diagnose it properly we will need more info. My hunch is that it it is the timing chain guide. They are made plastic and rub on the chain. Over time they wear our and break allowing the chain to slap on the cover and the block/water pump. V6 Swap can be done, but a pain in the butt. If you are going to swap something in swap in a 22re and get fuel injection |
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Dan Pitts
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| 03/10/2005 6:14 PM |
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| when you take off in the truck the noise can be heard. so when there is a load on the engine the noise is greatest. when your are idling the noise can't be heard much at all. can you get much power out of the 22re fuel injected engine. |
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Danny Pitts
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Dan Pitts
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| 03/10/2005 6:23 PM |
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| also before i heard the noise the engine temp was high close to over heating. when it finally cooled down thas when i started hearing the noise. |
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webby4x4
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| 03/10/2005 7:04 PM |
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Dan - since your noise is greatest under load, that could also be a couple of things. I would think that if the engine is under load, it would not be the timing chain (since the chain tightens up under load, and relaxes when coasting or idling down), but I might be wrong. It could be one or more of the following:
1) Detination / bad timing (a.k.a. engine ping)
2) A bad lifter or two
3) A bad main bearing
4) Loose /broken bolts on the flywheel (if it's automatic, and if it only does it when the engine is cold)
I would recommend using either a mechanics stethescope or putting a long screwdriver (with the handle side in your ear) to various parts of the engine. Start with the top of the motor, particularly the valve cover and work your way backwards, listening to the valvetrain. If the sound you hear is a humming / grinding sound this is normal (the grinding isn't actually grinding, it's the harmonics being sent by the hydraulic lifters riding on the camshaft, but that's the best way I can describe the sound).
If you don't hear it there, put the tip of the screwdriver on the timing cover and listen while someone revs the engine slightly and then lets off.
If you don't hear it there, try listening to the power steering pump, the alternator and the A/C compressor.
Lastly, while laying on the ground, put the screwdriver to the oil pan and listen to the lower portion of the engine and listen for loud knocks. Some light knocking/ticking sounds in the lower engine should be relatively normal, but if it's pretty distinctive, then you likely have something wrong there.
If you can identify where the noise is coming from, let us know and we can help pinpoint it further.
In regards to the V6 swap - Colorado Cruiser would have a lot more experience than I. I can tell you though that the 22RE motor is a fantastic mill that can produce some tremendous amounts of torque and HP. The injected units are awesome and very reliable.
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Colorado Cruiser
Bone Stock
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| 03/11/2005 1:19 PM |
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| lc engineering has a turbo kit for the 22re. Id go there if you want to build one. I think rick is on the right track with bearing ect. Check the oil for debris and antifreeze if your 22r is over heating. That could be the cause of the bearing failure. Or yank it out and get the 22re and never regret it. |
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 03/11/2005 9:22 PM |
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| after listening to the engine i have come to the conclusion that it is the clutch. i confirmd this by taling it to one of my uncles garages. so i need some feed back on what a good clutch would be because of the over sized tires and my lack to put lower gears in it i need something that is going to last even when i have to slipit sometimes to get going on hills. also since there is nothing wrong with my engine is it worth still thinking about doing a swap or are there some improvments i can make to my engine to get more torque and power. is the 22r worth puting some moneyu in to even if it is carburated. |
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Danny Pitts
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Colorado Cruiser
Bone Stock
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| 03/12/2005 10:44 AM |
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| www.marlincrawler.com They sell a ceremic clutch that has 400 ftlbs more clampling force than a stock clutch. |
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webby4x4
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| 03/12/2005 5:00 PM |
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| If you can't afford that clutch, you can try a clutch made by centerforce or Zoom, which can usually be purchased at AutoZone or CSK. |
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Dan Pitts
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| 03/12/2005 8:14 PM |
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| hey rick have you ever heard of a luke clutch how does is compare to the centerforce or zoom clutch that is if anyone has ever heard of them |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 03/12/2005 11:07 PM |
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| Never heard of them -though that doesn't mean they don't make a good unit.
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Rick Webster
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Colorado Cruiser
Bone Stock
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| 03/14/2005 10:14 AM |
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| I have heard of luk clutches. Just like a stock clutch. |
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 03/15/2005 7:55 PM |
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so they really are not that good woukld you recomend a centerforce over a luk clutch. how do they compare aginst one another.
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 03/15/2005 9:56 PM |
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I'd take a centerforce clutch over most others any day of the week, but that's just my opinion. And, that's solely based upon my experience with them in the past. I'e not used Marlin's clutch, so I don't know how good it is... I'll do some digging and see what I can come up with.
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Rick Webster
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 03/16/2005 2:55 PM |
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| what all do you need to get. i went to 4wheelparts on line and looked up centerforce clutches. i want to buy the original one called gold. i don't know if it has everything i need. it said it included a pressure plate and a friction disc what else do i need. |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 03/16/2005 10:24 PM |
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Typically you need the following:
1) pilot bushing/bearing
2) throwout bearing
3) rent or buy a pilot bushing/bearing removal tool
4) buy a cheap plastic alignment rod (I can't remember what it's called, but it's used to center the pressure plate into the pilot bushing hole and line everything up.)
However, sometimes it's best to pull the tranny back and see if the fork or anything else is damaged / worn.
While you're at it, you may want to look at a clutch master cylinder rebuild kit too... that is if you've not rebuilt yours yet.
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Rick Webster
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 03/18/2005 4:54 PM |
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| i bought a center force dual fricton clutch. i would like say thanks to both of you for your help. |
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Danny Pitts
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 03/28/2005 11:59 AM |
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| you wont believe this the clutch was fine. the transmison though is shot. is there any swap i can do with a differnt transmision. i am having a hard time finding a transmision. need help fast got to have my truck up and running my spring break will be over soon. |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 03/28/2005 12:06 PM |
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Colorado Cruiser may have this stuff memorized, but...
I'd stay with the stock 5-speed transmission that you have now if you need to get back up and running quickly.
If not, I'd choose the automatic Toyota transmission, that way you'll have less to deal with (e.g. drive shaft lengths, adapaters, etc.).
I'm checking to see what the lengths are on the transmissions offered by toyota and what years they apply to. I'll get back with you shortly.
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 03/30/2005 9:52 PM |
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| i founnd a stock 5 speed at a junkyard and have put it in. it works pretty goos and that new clutch i put in works great. i am glad this thing is over. it started with the engine and made it's way back it gas been a challenge. |
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