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Dan Pitts
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| 03/23/2008 7:57 PM |
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so i blew the motor up in my Toyota mini truck... I'm trying to decide if I should rebuild the motor again, or if I should put a Vortec V6 or small V8 in it.
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webby4x4
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| 03/24/2008 9:38 AM |
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Man, sorry to hear that Danny!!! That really sucks.
Rebuilding is certianly the cheapest option, unless you can find a good running donor motor elsewhere.
The engine bay is tight for a V8, and your front axle won't deal well with that (or did you already do a SAS?). You might consider running a 4.3L Vortec V6, but it's about the same width as a 5.7L V8, which means you'll need to do some inner fender trimming.
All in all, if your motor is shot, your cheapest bet is a rebuild. Again though, if you can get your hands on a turn-key motor, then all you'll have left to pay for is the adapters, which you can get at Novak Enterprises or Advance Adapters.
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Dan Pitts
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| 03/25/2008 10:40 AM |
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| yea i have really been debating on a buick engine. although it would be nice since i blew the tranny in my dads old s10 blazer and the motor is good the 4.3 and everything i need is there and that would be sweet ecpically. since i already did the straigt axle conversion. with all that power i know i be barfin durf expically with 5.29 gears in it. |
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Danny Pitts
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Dan Pitts
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| 03/26/2008 9:40 AM |
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| hey rick? did you used a toyota steering box. and if you did how did you get the power steering lines to go from a chevy pump to a toyota box? |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 03/28/2008 5:59 PM |
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I did use a Toyota steering box. To do this, I had a set of lines made up at a hydraulic hose company.
HOWEVER, do NOT do this. The volume and pressure created from the Chevy box isn't the same as what the Toyota box is made for, which caused me to blow 5 power steering pumps.
Instead, use a power steering gear box from an International Scout. It's darn-near a bolt on (the bolt pattern to the frame is slightly different), but the dimensions of the box are almost identical. It's a far stronger box that puts out 2 or 3 times more power. Definately the way to go.
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sammy 87
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| 04/01/2008 9:18 PM |
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| hey danny their is a scout out at feilds the last time i was there |
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fourwd1
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| 04/05/2008 6:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by webby4x4
I did use a Toyota steering box. To do this, I had a set of lines made up at a hydraulic hose company.
HOWEVER, do NOT do this. The volume and pressure created from the Chevy box isn't the same as what the Toyota box is made for, which caused me to blow 5 power steering pumps.
Instead, use a power steering gear box from an International Scout. It's darn-near a bolt on (the bolt pattern to the frame is slightly different), but the dimensions of the box are almost identical. It's a far stronger box that puts out 2 or 3 times more power. Definately the way to go.
Rick
H'mm, I have a Toy box and a GM pump on my Buick 231 conversion. The stock Toy lines fit the GM pump,and it's been fine the last 20 yrs.
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webby4x4
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| 04/05/2008 8:32 PM |
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| Tom, the guy who owns PSC Motorsport, is the one that told me that. Heck, maybe he's wrong, but he's the smartest powersteering guy I know. :) |
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Dan Pitts
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| 04/06/2008 8:43 AM |
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| k guys so does anyone know where i can get a complete kit to do this conversion cause i tried to call advance3d adapters for info and all i got was a hang up. |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 04/06/2008 9:20 AM |
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I would call PSC Motorsports, not Advance Adapters for your steering stuff. http://www.pscmotorsports.com/
Ask for Tom, and tell him Rick from 4X4REVIEW.COM sent you. And, if you can do me a huge favor, Danny... tell him that you that you read this article (http://www.4x4review.com/products/suspension/PSCHydroAssist/) and this is why you're calling.
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Rick Webster
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Dan Pitts
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| 04/06/2008 10:56 AM |
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| k no problem rick. also a couple more questions this another complete rebuild since i am still not satistfied. i am looking at leaf springs for my truck and they are all like 47" springs for the front. and 56" springs for the rear. i dont mind doing relocations of spring mounts for the rear. but i really dont want to mess with the front agian. so wi47" springs bolt in. and how do you go about measuring the springs in the proper way? |
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Danny Pitts
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Dan Pitts
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| 04/06/2008 10:57 AM |
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| also 4" or 5" lift to tuck 35s or 36s. |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 04/06/2008 12:04 PM |
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Spring measurements are tough, especially when you're trying to measure old, worn out OE springs, versus newly arched springs, as the measurements won't be the same.
The way to measure spring length though, is to flip the spring so that the arch is pointing up, and measure center to center on the eyelet holes.
I'm pretty sure that a 4" lift will only clear 33's, so if you want to stuff 35's under it, you'd need a 6" lift kit. I would talk to the guys at All Pro Offroad first about both of these things (just in case I'm wrong). http://www.allprooffroad.com/ - These are the same guys that got you the bed-cage kit for your truck.
The guys there are really great... tell them Rick from 4X4REVIEW sent you. ;)
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Rick Webster
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webby4x4
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| 04/06/2008 12:06 PM |
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BTW - I'm pretty sure that they have a really slick 4-link suspension setup for your rear axle too. If you can afford it, that would be the way to go!
They also have their "extreme suspension kit" for your truck that you may want to look at: http://www.allprooffroad.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=54
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Rick Webster
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 04/06/2008 12:17 PM |
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| the extreme kit is nice but i already have most of the stuff they are offering. the front end of my truck is set up for a lift all i need is the springs this being that when i bought the shocks i bought them extra long. as yes they did bottom out alot and are probably blown but they have a lifetime warranty from auotzone. hahaha so for the front all i need is springs. now on the back you bring up a pretty valid point rick. 4 link. you know my fab skills are not the best. but how hard would it be to 4 link my rear end like fab it myself. msaybe use coilovers and come up through the bed. and tie in to some of the rollcage. just a thought really trying to figure out how to go about this. |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 04/06/2008 7:31 PM |
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Don't attempt a 4-link yourself... the geometry to do it right (most people do it halfway) is pretty complex. If you're really interested in doing a 4-link, I would call All Pro Offroad and Blue Torch Fabworks. Most have pre-made kits that you just weld in place, and saves you a lot of work.
As for the rear shocks - this will really depend on the kit that you buy. I might suggest that you just angle the shocks inward (see picture below) as that is a lot easier, and you won't lose a ton of space in the bed of your truck.
[img]http://www.4x4review.com/products/suspension/Dynatrac-SST-shocks002.jpg[/img]
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Rick Webster
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Dan Pitts
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| 04/20/2008 6:07 PM |
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| i need help making what could be one of the biggest descions of my life. do i just swap in the motor out of the donnor truck that i got which is a chevy 4.3 in a s10 blazer. or do i swap the motor in use a turbo 350 tranny and a dana 300 tcase. it looks cheaper to just swap in all the stuff and some what stronger. i have no clue at all i would like to keep the manaul but automatics are nice to. i need feedbacks and opinions please. |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 04/21/2008 7:29 AM |
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I don't know that I would consider this the biggest decision in you life, Danny. I mean... you did that whole sex-change thing last fall. ;)
OK, in all seriousness, here are my thoughts.
Go with the Vortec V6 for now. The bolt pattern to the transmission is the same as the early SB1 V8's. The Vortec V6 will make plenty of power for you, but not so much that you start blowing axles and u-joints. You'll be happy with the power it makes, and of course, it will get better fuel mileage, which with gas at $3.50 per gallon, will help your pocket book. Finally... since the V6 is not as long, it will be easier to fit in the engine bay (it will be tight on the width though, unless you get rid of the inner fender wells).
As far as the trans goes, I think you know where I lie on this. I'm a big fan of slushbox transmissions. Not having to rev the engine and slip the clutch is a real pleasure on the trail. If you haven't lined up a transmission yet, go with a 700R4, even if it's not rebuilt with the better slinger gears and servo, as that can be done later.
That's my .02 cents.
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Rick Webster
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Dan Pitts
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| 04/21/2008 4:23 PM |
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| k so thats what i was thinkin go with a auto. but y not the th350. also how hard is it gonna be to put a dana 300 behind the 700R4. can i get a manual valve body put in the 700R4. i assume that would be the way to go cause i dont have to dick around with a kick down cable. how would i go about making or gettin a crossmember for the tcase. does the dana 300 use a flange or a slip yoke. how hard is it to get adrive shaft made? |
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Danny Pitts
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webby4x4
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| 04/22/2008 5:59 PM |
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Wow! Lot's of questions... lets see if I can answer each one, one at a time...
1) but y not the th350?
Answer - why go with the minimum transmission, when you can have a transmission with a deeper first gear, an overdrive, and is capable of handling more torque and horsepower? The 700R4, T400 and T350 all share the same bolt pattern, so they will all bolt up to your engine. If it's only a hundred bucks more for the 700R4, then go with that for sure.
2) also how hard is it gonna be to put a dana 300 behind the 700R4?
Answer - No different than putting it behind a T350 or a T400 (or a ford or dodge trans for that matter). Regardless of the transmission you select, you'll have to get an adapter plate from Novak Enterprises (which I recommend), or Advance Adapters.
3) can i get a manual valve body put in the 700R4.
Answer - yup! You can get a reverse manual valve body too, which is completely 8itchin'! The shift pattern would look like this: P - R - N - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 (Instead of a regular shift pattern which is: P - R - N - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1). This way you can shift quickly from 1st to reverse and vice versa when you are stuck!
4) how would i go about making or gettin a crossmember for the tcase?
Answer - break out ye-old welder and get busy, boy! :)
Here's a picture of one that I made in about 3 hours, in the garage. It's very straightforward, but stronger than an Ox.
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5) does the dana 300 use a flange or a slip yoke?
Answer - It's setup like every other "normal" t-case out there. No slip yoke to worry about.
6) how hard is it to get adrive shaft made?
Answer - about as hard as it is to take a few measurements. Click here: http://www.4xshaft.com/MeasuringGuide.pdf <-- This is the way that you select and measure for driveshafts. Tom Wood's is, in my opinion, the finest drive shaft maker on the planet, and he's affordable too. Go to http://www.4xshaft.com/contactus.html and give him a call. Ask for Tom Woods, and be sure to tell him Rick Webster from 4X4REVIEW sent you. He'll help you decide which types of drivehsafts you'll need for your truck (e.g. double-cardan, long-spline, etc.).
On the same note... when you get your Dana 300 t-case, I would strongl recommend that you get a 4.0:1 kit for it, AND an indexing ring, so that you can clock your t-case. Just be sure not to add more than 2 quarts of oil, once it's clocked.
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Rick Webster
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Dan Pitts
Body Lift
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| 04/23/2008 4:33 PM |
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| thanks rick you gave me all the right answers i was looking for. so this looks like the setup now i just got to put it in motion. the truck is going to me amazing after all of this and a couple thousand dollars. not to mention more time than money. ill take before and after pictures to show you guys. |
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webby4x4
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| 04/23/2008 5:43 PM |
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Awesome!
Send us some pictures of it now. I haven't seen it in over a year, and I know you've made some changes!
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Rick Webster
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Colorado Cruiser
Bone Stock
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| 04/26/2008 7:47 AM |
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quote:
HOWEVER, do NOT do this. The volume and pressure created from the Chevy box isn't the same as what the Toyota box is made for, which caused me to blow 5 power steering pumps.
Instead, use a power steering gear box from an International Scout. It's darn-near a bolt on (the bolt pattern to the frame is slightly different), but the dimensions of the box are almost identical. It's a far stronger box that puts out 2 or 3 times more power. Definately the way to go.
Rick
Rick, I hate to contradict you, but I have been running a toyota minitruck steering box on my landcruiser for 5 years and since I have seen you last I have done a 4.3l Conversion on a friends minitruck and he did the same thing. It works fine.
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webby4x4
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| 04/26/2008 9:20 AM |
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Hey, Chris! Long time no talk buddy! I haven't seen or heard from you in so long, that I figured that you sold your Cruiser and started riding mountain bikes or something. :)
Regarding the pump and the box... I ultimately went through (I'm not kidding here) 8 power steering pumps - 3 at Moab in 3 days. When I caught up with Tom at PSC out there, he told me that there was a difference in volume or pressure (I can't remember which), and that it didn't match what the Toyota steering box was designed for, which was ultimately causing the demise of my pump.
Since I've changed, my pump and box have worked perfectly. Hell... I dunno - that's just what Tom told me and I believed him (of course), as he's forgotten more about power steering systems than I know. ;)
Anyhow, how the hell have you been man?
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Rick Webster
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Colorado Cruiser
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| 04/28/2008 12:53 PM |
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| I have been good. Land Cruiser is now 4 linked 104" Wheelbase on 38.5" Boggers. I may be in moab this weekend for the end of cruise moab. I run a psc pump and have had zero problems. But I know what tom is talking about. Too high of pressure and the pump goes into bypass mode and that burns up the pump. I got a great pic to show you. Send me your e-mail... |
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webby4x4
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| 04/28/2008 2:07 PM |
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| rick at 4x4review dot com. (Not typed in correctly... too many spam emails anyhow). :) |
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Rick Webster
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Colorado Cruiser
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| 04/28/2008 2:52 PM |
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| 3 pics sent Its amazing how rigs change over time. |
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webby4x4
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| 04/28/2008 3:57 PM |
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A bit off topic, but here are pics of Colorado Cruiser's (Chris) FJ40. SWEET!!!
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Rick Webster
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fourwd1
Street Queen
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| 04/28/2008 6:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by webby4x4
6) how hard is it to get adrive shaft made?
Answer - about as hard as it is to take a few measurements. Click here: http://www.4xshaft.com/MeasuringGuide.pdf <-- This is the way that you select and measure for driveshafts. Tom Wood's is, in my opinion, the finest drive shaft maker on the planet, and he's affordable too. Go to http://www.4xshaft.com/contactus.html and give him a call. Ask for Tom Woods, and be sure to tell him Rick Webster from 4X4REVIEW sent you. He'll help you decide which types of drivehsafts you'll need for your truck (e.g. double-cardan, long-spline, etc.).
A lot of good info there.
Another excellent source of driveshafts is High Angle Drive Line.
Jessie (the owner) knows Toyotas. The prices and service are great. They even custom clearance the double-Cardan joints so they'll do a greater than stock angle. |
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- as seen in Four Wheeler magazine July 2006, Off-Road magazine Feb 2007
'84 4Runner SR5 - ARBed 5.29's F&R, 4.7 & 2.28 t-cases, drv trn lift, Chevy's, 30 spline Longs, BudBuilt skid, 36" TSLs... |
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webby4x4
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| 04/28/2008 7:19 PM |
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HADL - I've heard good things about them too. Never used them, but know a few people that swear by them.
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