OldTrustyRusty
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| 03/10/2005 4:24 PM |
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Hello all!
what lift i have is: 4" sus..4"body. with 38.5x16.5x15.5.(home made body lift).
I'm looking for a sus... lift to acommadate the body lift for this
size tire.
would a 8" spring kit.(w/o body lift} be enough to bump up to 39.5x16.5x18's.
76'3/4 ton axel's 4:10 gear's installed. corp. 14 bolt (rear) dana 44
(front).
Thank's for you help. joe! |
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webby4x4
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| 09/26/2005 9:48 AM |
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Your current 38.5" tires should barely be clearing with 8 total inches of lift. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if you haven't done some fenderwell trimming, that your tires are rubbing if you're at full compression and likely hitting worse if you're steering one way or the other while at suspension compression.
Changing from 4" body / 4" susp, to 8" of suspension and losing the body lift won't net you any difference that I can foresee with tire clearance, except for the oddity of a tire rubbing on the frame.
Here's the imprtant part...
4.10 gears aren't deep enough for your current tires, and they definately won't be deep enough for larger tires. You should be running roughly 5.13 gears, or maybe even deeper.
Also, your d44 front axle won't handle the stress of those big tires. A very well built D44 cn handle 37's, but only if you've upgraded nearly everything within (35 spline axles, c-moly axles, and more).
Lastly - how 'bout them brakes? You'll probably need to upgrade the brakes to be safe enough to drive it too.
Some things to consider...
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primetimek5
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| 09/26/2005 10:15 AM |
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| YES, 8INCH IS NOT BIG ENOUGH YOU WOULD NEED TO TRIM BUMPER & FENDERS IN THE
FRONT.
YOU DO NEED GEARS.
IF YOUR GONNA LOCK THE FRONT, PUT HYDRO STEERING |
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| 09/26/2005 10:06 PM |
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sorry guy's this is my old post.I forgot my password and changed my e-mail address.so no log on!
new update on the lift : bds 8" kit on the way with drage link,brake
line kit,shock's spacer's for the t-case,swaybar lowwering spacer kit/w quick disconnect kit. leaving the body mount's on.(canceled order)
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ChevyMan0784
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| 09/26/2005 11:56 PM |
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| Why lift it man??? I had an 81 longbed 3/4 ton. I fit 35x15.50x15's under it...I did lose ALOT of weight though. Somethin about a Sawzall and tin snips...two friends and a few Guiness later we had that some beach tuckin those super swamper tsl/sx's. I don't really recomend this...but after I removed the bumpers it was one sick machine. Also I was running a D60 in the front (dont ask, it came on the truck...I guess I am lucky) and a corporate 14 bolt in the rear. I was however running 4:10 gearing front and rear both with welded spider gears. One thing I wish I had thought of before was wheel spacers...(dang it!) but there would have still been surgery. |
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primetimek5
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| 09/27/2005 5:55 AM |
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BELIVE ME I HAD THE 8 BDS HE WILL END CUTTING W/ THE SAWZAW HIS FRONT
FENDERS. THE 8 BDS IS A NICE SET UP. FLEX CRAZY. YOU ARE GONNA NEED SOME TYPE OF REAR AXLE RAP DEVICE FOR THE REAR.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STUFF YOUR FRONT SUSPENSION ALL THE WAY TO THE FIRE WALL.
I SOLD IT DUE THE ADDICTION TO FLEX(ITS LIKE A DRUG) NOW W/ THE 52 & 56 SPRING CONVERSION |
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Body Lift
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| 09/27/2005 10:12 AM |
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so like a ladder bar type traction control setup. or just go with the bds with block kit.,and replace the back(block's) with a 4 link setup??
on the current set up it did push the bottom of the front fender behind the tire in abought 1"or 2"'s.it's better not to straight'en i out. better bent then cut in my book.because after the 8"w/body lift i can straight'en it bake out.i'm going to leave the body lift on + get the 8" bds lift.
or should i just buy everything seppert??? front bds 8" spring's ,shock's, brka line ex...kit ,drage link,2 steel shim kit 4 degree.or a 2+4 degree shim kit front.4 link rear,coil spring over shock's. |
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primetimek5
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| 09/27/2005 10:18 AM |
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| STAY AWAY FROM BLOCKS. DO THE 8 INCH BDS & RUN A WISH BONE TO THE FRAM FROM THE AXLE W/ TO HEIM JOINTS & A BUSHING AT THE FRAME.
SO YOU CAN STILL ARTICULATE & WILL NOT LET THE AXLE RAP.
THE FRONT CUT THE FENDER & USE BUSHWACKER CUT OUTS TO CLEAN IT UP
I USED MY PLASMA IT CUTS CLEAN & LIKE BUTTER |
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primetimek5
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| 09/27/2005 10:19 AM |
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| YOU ARE GONNA USE 6 DEGREE SHIMS FOR THE REAR TO ANGLE THE DRIVE
SHAFT |
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| 09/27/2005 10:38 AM |
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if I get the kit with block's.I'm going to replace the rear block's/spring's with a 4 link system.
instead of the rear 8" spring kit w/ladder bar's.
what about a 4 link weld on kit to get the angel for back drive shaft? |
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SnoMan
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| 09/27/2005 10:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by primetimek5
YOU ARE GONNA USE 6 DEGREE SHIMS FOR THE REAR TO ANGLE THE DRIVE
SHAFT
That or use a custom drive shaft with CV's on each end. (that is what I would do anyway) |
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primetimek5
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| 09/27/2005 11:01 AM |
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| ARE GONNA GO 4 LINK W/ COILS. USE SOME FROM A FORD AEROSTAR. NICE.
WELL YOU ANGLE WILL DETERMIND WHERE YOUR 4 LINK TO THE AXLE BE WELDED THEN
ADD CUP PLATE FOR YOUR SPRING.
YOU CAN ORDER THE FRONT SPRINGS ONLY W/ YOUR STABALIZER DROP BRACKET,
DROP PITMAN ARM.
REMINDER LONGER BRAKE HOSES.... |
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Body Lift
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| 09/27/2005 11:12 AM |
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| checking price's for all the goody's! |
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Hay!! Can you get your dad's dozer? wwwwwwhaaaaaat?? |
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| 09/27/2005 1:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChevyMan0784
Why lift it man??? I had an 81 longbed 3/4 ton. I fit 35x15.50x15's under it...I did lose ALOT of weight though. Somethin about a Sawzall and tin snips...two friends and a few Guiness later we had that some beach tuckin those super swamper tsl/sx's. I don't really recomend this...but after I removed the bumpers it was one sick machine. Also I was running a D60 in the front (dont ask, it came on the truck...I guess I am lucky) and a corporate 14 bolt in the rear. I was however running 4:10 gearing front and rear both with welded spider gears. One thing I wish I had thought of before was wheel spacers...(dang it!) but there would have still been surgery.
man i wish i could ,but the mud hole's were we play they are running 38's up in some spot's.had 35's on it at one time ,but it's no fun going 10 feet slideing on the axel's with them 35" tire's not touching anything,but water..this is the first hole you come to.the second hole is about 50 yard's long.with 35 bogger's locked f/r you mite make it 15ft. max. before frist hole 90 degree turn hole 5 ft. from turn,second hole 10 feet from first hole.so there's no room for a running start. so when you turn the first coner put'her to the wood and keep going till you get through the second hole.trust me you wouldn't make it.after the 38's up tires tear it up your screwed with 35's here. no bull s!@@#!
this on 50 acer's of private propertiy were we test are truck's 90% swamp too. |
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primetimek5
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| 09/27/2005 1:52 PM |
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| THAT ARE SOME BIG HOLES. IF YOU CAN TRY TO DO A NATIONAL EVENT.
50 YARDS, 5 FEET DEEP W/ WATER, HAY, MULCH & A LITTLE DIRT.
NEED LOCKED FRONT & REAR, GEARS & LOTS OF HORES TO MAKE IT 1/3 OF THE WAY.
LOTS OF FUN.
SOME PRO MODS & BOOZED UP ENG DIDNT EVEN MAKE IT |
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| 09/27/2005 2:47 PM |
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| I wouldn't even think of it now with my truck now unless I had a dozzer ther with about 1 mile of cabel.LOL |
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| 09/27/2005 2:53 PM |
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| I have alot of freind's that just play on that property.if you can make it to the back they ar running 44's up with a front loader on hand.I guess it's still there.LOL!on e guy just bought some 49's so that outa tell you some thing. |
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| 09/27/2005 3:07 PM |
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| man i wish they would!!!!!! we tryed,and tryed and tryed and still trying to get him to let us set up an event but he won't let us.he say's it's the one thing that keep's you youg'ens out of trouble around here.LOL! |
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primetimek5
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| 09/27/2005 3:26 PM |
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| INS. FOR A EVENT IS HIGH, EVEN W/ WAIVERS. (LOOP HOLES & LOTS OF RED TAPE) |
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| 09/27/2005 5:58 PM |
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| yah! I wouldn't dought it one bit. but Man!! that would be great to have something like that around here.we have a 4x4 shop down the road but nothing on bogg event's local.nothing but flat farm land with no bogg,rockcrawel,hill
climb's.the only thing we have is sand drag's or street car drag racing.until
you get north or west of here.south in ohio too. |
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primetimek5
Lift & Lockers
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| 09/27/2005 7:45 PM |
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| their going to open a new off road park in ozona in november. its like
2hrs away. several private ranches, city owned land we use but not legal, due to its a big drainage area. the law does not bother you alongest you
wheel in a pack. |
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ChevyMan0784
Lift & Lockers
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| 09/27/2005 10:37 PM |
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| Ahhhhhh no blocks!!!!! I saw a friend's 70 sumpthin power wagon slip blocks...not pretty. I am sure you all would testify. |
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gimmie fuel gimmie fire gimmie that which I desire-James Hetfield
*Never give an Irish man good cause for revenge.
*Guns dont kill people, but they sure help!!
*98% OF AMERICANS SAY 'OH S**t' BEFORE GOING IN THE DITCH ON A ICEY ROAD.
THE OTHER 2% ARE FROM ALASKA, AND THEY SAY, 'HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS |
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| 09/27/2005 10:43 PM |
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that's cool! we do a littel on a seasonal road in between 2 feild's sloppy clay in southern mi..
p.t. k5 thank's for the info man. you got my blood pumpping now.scrapping the leaf kit idea.going all out with 4 link f/r. f/r basic kit 400.00 more my speed on cash flow.steering assist going for it.or even the hydro full system.
didn't read any thing on the steering assit.. yet but found the hydro system
and very interrested in ,but lury about the 1 turn ratios compared to the stock 4 turn. does the assitance system come close to the full hydro system?
i noticed that the hydro kit is a complete replacement steering system, and the steering assitance just run off the factoy box.is the pitman arm still connected with this setup? |
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primetimek5
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| 09/28/2005 5:26 AM |
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| FULL HYDRO IS EXPENSIVE, ORBITAL VALVE ETC.... THEY SAID ITS NOT
REALLY THAT GOOD ON HWY.
I WENT STEERING ASSITANCE. I CAN TURN MY 38.5 LOCKED FRONT END AT
A DEAD STOP W/ ONE FINGER.
YES, PITMAN ARM IS STILL CONNECTED. |
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| 09/28/2005 2:33 PM |
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| ok ! I was looking at pictures of the hydro assit.like the setup very much like the price of it even better.
It look's like the sabalizer is gone.man that settup must be the s!@@. |
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primetimek5
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| 09/28/2005 8:04 PM |
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| you dont need no stinking stabalizer. just dont really go fast & turning on a
flat smooth surface it has more body lean |
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rick p. |
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| 09/29/2005 1:14 AM |
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I thought about getting the quick disconnect's ,but I'm not useing the swaybar ether. it roll's a bit but with them stiff spring up front it dosn't
seem to make that much of a diffrence. with it on or off.
went and got the 5/8 ram today,and fabb'ed some bracket's up for the install
still need the heimy joint's/hoses. get them friday. |
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| 09/29/2005 1:38 AM |
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up date for the 4 link!
well could,nt find any thing for my truck,other then a 2 wheel drag kit,but finally got an e-mail from 2 of them.have to call them tomarrow.
the kit i was looking at was 399.00 all hardware.except spring/shock's,welder. web site: www.fbirides.com
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