rckmnchr
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| 01/19/2009 10:46 AM |
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I am trying to find ideas on how to make a PSC ram Bracket for the fully hydro system. Anyone have any pics or idea's on this. I have a full width 44HP going under a YJ with the RE LA kit up front. All I have to figure out is the brackets for mounting the upper link arms and the PSC ram. |
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webby4x4
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| 01/22/2009 10:10 PM |
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I ended up having to put brackets on the bottom of my passenger-side frame rail (as low as possible, to try and get it horizontal), and then attach the ram end to my drag link. I have a D44 up front with a Detroit e-Locker, which means I didn't have room to mount it normally. Something like this might work for you, but the only downside is if your front axle articulates a LOT, then the geometry changes slightly and steering through the ram fades a tiny bit (probably not noticable).
If interested, I can send a few pics of my setup.
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webby4x4
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| 01/23/2009 7:34 PM |
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Here are a few pictures. As mentioned - this isn't the optimal setup, as the geometry will change slightly when the axle fully compresses or fully droops on that side.
Also, be SURE that you off-set the ram at an anlge (forward / backward), so that when the suspension compresses, the drag link doesn't hit the ram.
You can also see the article that we did on this at: http://www.4x4review.com/Reviews/ProductReviews/SuspensionandSteering/PSCTotheRescue/tabid/104/Default.aspx
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IndyToy
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| 01/25/2009 8:39 AM |
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| being that it is full hydro could you just mount it on the axle and then run two tie rods to each knuckle and do away with all the geometry BS. look at this mount http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=662237&page=3 |
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rckmnchr
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| 01/25/2009 9:40 AM |
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the pics your showing me are hydro assist. I thought I saw one of your rigs with a full hydro set up. I'm going to scratch my suspension ideas AGAIN! I'm going to triangulate the front so no track bar is involved. less crap to restrict my articulation. |
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89YJ MOPAR MPFI. ATLAS 4SP 10.43:1. 9" w/ detroit and chromes. D44 STOCK. 38" TSL'S stretched 10" up front and 6 in the rear. hope it wheels good?? |
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webby4x4
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| 01/25/2009 11:57 AM |
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yeah, we had a rig with full hydo, but it was a sponosored rock crawler. I've driven both - a lot... If you plan on driving your rig on the street at all, I wouldn't both with full hydro. There's zero road feel (which is more important than what you think it is), and most systems don't center-return. In most states, it's also illegal and you won't be able to register your rig, so check your local laws.
Now, if you're going to have a trailered, dedicated rock trasher, then full hydro is a great way to go.
A good hydro-assist system will easily steer 44" tires.
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rckmnchr
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| 01/25/2009 12:16 PM |
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| I went out yesterday and my buddy has hydro assist. He likes it a lot but he feels that he should have went full cause of the geometry issues. It still wheeled great until we broke his tom wood's c.v. shaft in the rear. It was crazy he blew out the c.v. I’ve never seen that happen and he really wasn't at any crazy angle at all. I've been warned about the street feel and zero return. I won't drive it on the highway just on the back streets to the 7/11 or starbucks etc and going pretty slow until I get the feel for it. It's already registered and smoged so I shouldn't have to worry about reg. if it's an issue I’ll make it a trailer ornament I’m trying to figure out how to triangulate the front I already spent a grip on the RE LA stuff and now I want to change the plans so I don't have to add the pan hard on there as well. That axle will have way to much stuff on it. Pan hard bracket spring bucket shock tabs control arms upper truss and then the ram mount on the front. |
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89YJ MOPAR MPFI. ATLAS 4SP 10.43:1. 9" w/ detroit and chromes. D44 STOCK. 38" TSL'S stretched 10" up front and 6 in the rear. hope it wheels good?? |
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rckmnchr
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| 01/25/2009 12:21 PM |
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| BTW that's a nice looking 40 you have! My YJ/TJ/wagoneer will hopefully turn out to look halfway decent. being in the military kind of kills the time factor to get work done on it. i'm on the boats and I get up at 5 and don't get home til 6 if i'm lucky and then the duty junk. that ruins alot of time. it seems everytime my GF works the weekends I have duty. I haven't touched it in I think going on 2 weeks now. |
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89YJ MOPAR MPFI. ATLAS 4SP 10.43:1. 9" w/ detroit and chromes. D44 STOCK. 38" TSL'S stretched 10" up front and 6 in the rear. hope it wheels good?? |
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rckmnchr
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| 01/25/2009 12:31 PM |
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| so where are you guys located? |
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89YJ MOPAR MPFI. ATLAS 4SP 10.43:1. 9" w/ detroit and chromes. D44 STOCK. 38" TSL'S stretched 10" up front and 6 in the rear. hope it wheels good?? |
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webby4x4
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| 01/25/2009 12:35 PM |
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Posted By rckmnchr on 01/25/2009 12:16 PM
I went out yesterday and my buddy has hydro assist. He likes it a lot but he feels that he should have went full cause of the geometry issues.
It still wheeled great until we broke his tom wood's c.v. shaft in the rear. It was crazy he blew out the c.v. I’ve never seen that happen and he really wasn't at any crazy angle at all.
What geometry issues? In the vast majority of cases, you should be able to mount up a hydro assist very easily (a day or two of work), and in most cases, there should be zero geometry issues. Simply mount the ram to the axle, and mount the ram's shaft to the drag link - voila! Mine was a special case (like me  ), because of that funky Detroit ElecTrac that I'm running wiht the bulbous front bracketry. You can get a heavy-duty steel front diff cover that you can weld your ram to, which makes it really easy to do.
Tom Woods - that is very surprising. We've been running his stuff for years and never ran into any issues. For what it's worth, give him a call and explain what happened, I'm sure he'll take care of you. We've known Tom for nearly 10 years now and he's got a really great company. |
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webby4x4
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| 01/25/2009 12:40 PM |
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Posted By rckmnchr on 01/25/2009 12:31 PM
so where are you guys located?
I'm in Dallas, our Tech Editor is in Tucson, our Feature Editor is in Indianapolis and we have other peoplpe scattered all about. We're all jealous of Jody (our Tech Editor's) location though, as he lives about 5 minutes away from some of the best wheeling in the southwest. 
Thanks for the compliments on the FJ. It's been a labor of love, that's for sure. Here are a few more pics of it:
http://www.4x4review.com/Forums/tabid/97/forumid/89/view/topic/postid/4266/Default.aspx
Here's an interior shot of a project that we're doing:
You can see the whole article on what we're doing to the interior at: http://www.4x4review.com/Features/FeatureArticles/ExtremeMakeoverPart1/tabid/637/Default.aspx |
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rckmnchr
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| 01/25/2009 12:41 PM |
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| the assist is fine it's having to deal with the pan hard. that's what he said anyways. I had a great experience with superior gear myself after I installed some 4:56's in my friends TJ. either them or the actual people I ordered the parts from sent me the wrong carrier bolts and 2 backed out and were bouncing around the diff where the nice brand new ARB was. They sent me a new gear set master install and the correct bolts and they were on my porch the next day. Their customer service is nothing short of spectacular!!! |
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89YJ MOPAR MPFI. ATLAS 4SP 10.43:1. 9" w/ detroit and chromes. D44 STOCK. 38" TSL'S stretched 10" up front and 6 in the rear. hope it wheels good?? |
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webby4x4
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| 01/25/2009 12:43 PM |
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P.S. Rckmnchr - Thanks for serving our country! |
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webby4x4
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Posted By rckmnchr on 01/25/2009 12:41 PM
the assist is fine it's having to deal with the pan hard. that's what he said anyways. I had a great experience with superior gear myself after I installed some 4:56's in my friends TJ. either them or the actual people I ordered the parts from sent me the wrong carrier bolts and 2 backed out and were bouncing around the diff where the nice brand new ARB was. They sent me a new gear set master install and the correct bolts and they were on my porch the next day. Their customer service is nothing short of spectacular!!!
Can you 4-link the front and run coil-over shocks instead? Panhard bars can be a pain... I ran one on my FJ40 when I ran too-soft front springs, and it required me to make a really funny-looking panhard that had all sorts of goofy bends in it (to clear the pumpkin and other junk).
Superior is pretty good - I agree. If you get a chance, try National Drivetrain. I know they're an advertiser of our (shameless plug), but they have really excellent customer service and stock very good parts. Prices are also pretty darn competitive.
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rckmnchr
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| 01/25/2009 12:47 PM |
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| mines a labor of hate and discontent right now I can't make up my mind on what I want to do. I would love to throw some coilovers under it and call it a day but I have no experience with them and the price is alittle high for me right now. I haven't wheeled in my own rig for almost 2 years. I got backdoored by a guy in colorado on my axles and he wouldn't takem back so I ate 4500 bucks on that deal 10 months of waiting for my 4sp to show up. mso most of the time it's not my fault. now i'm trying to raise money by fixing friends jeeps and fabing roll cages and doing gears and anything they can think of. I'm just now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. hopefully with some help I should be ready for TDS on march 6th. |
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89YJ MOPAR MPFI. ATLAS 4SP 10.43:1. 9" w/ detroit and chromes. D44 STOCK. 38" TSL'S stretched 10" up front and 6 in the rear. hope it wheels good?? |
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webby4x4
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| 01/25/2009 12:47 PM |
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OK - I have to head out and do a photo shoot on an '09 Suzuki Grand Vitara, and then I'm off to work on my tube fenders on my FJ40. Talk to you later.
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IndyToy
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| 01/25/2009 3:00 PM |
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| i would go witht the full hydro you dont have to worry about all the extra shiznit in the way. in my opinion its simpler. And you wont have to upgrade if you ever run huge ass tires. On ricks Fj40 it was nice he had 35s and you could turn it with one finger i like the assist and its probably gonna be the way i go but full hydro is more competition or supper extreme. ? do you have cross over steering on your rig right now. |
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rckmnchr
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| 01/25/2009 3:48 PM |
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| i'm looking for some high steer arms. I don't really want to fork out 200 bucks for a set,though. I thought about making them myself. Shouldn't be to hard just the fact I'd have to drill through a piece of 1" metal is going to be any fun. I'm waiting on my knuckle to get drilled out right now. but that probably won't happen anytime soon knowing the guy that has it. it took him almost 2 years to make my beadlock ring that he kind of shorted me on. so 3 matched and the 4th was tiny. everything seems to be a waiting game to get anything of vast importance done on my rig. I need to hack all my suspension brackets back off cause I don't like the way we mounted them plus the jeep sits way to high so i'll hang the coils off the side of the frame vise under it. So what was so special about the suzuki? |
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89YJ MOPAR MPFI. ATLAS 4SP 10.43:1. 9" w/ detroit and chromes. D44 STOCK. 38" TSL'S stretched 10" up front and 6 in the rear. hope it wheels good?? |
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webby4x4
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| 01/27/2009 11:28 AM |
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Suzuki - we do vehicle reviews at our magazine too, and it's just one of the new rigs that was sent to us for review.  |
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